tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post7822759172154299728..comments2023-08-29T08:48:55.919-04:00Comments on Carol Diehl's Art Vent: Thanksgiving with Brigitte Bardot and Ann-MargretCarol Diehlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023589628710711343noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-87470648163502410672010-05-02T00:26:21.536-04:002010-05-02T00:26:21.536-04:00Thank you for this. It was very eye-opening. I a...Thank you for this. It was very eye-opening. I am a young woman who has not experienced those times and it is somewhat shocking at what overt sexual harassment used to go on without consequence. I also enjoyed your perspective on feminism. I have really only known it as a political movement, but to think of it as a movement stemming from the cultural mores of the time puts it more into perspective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-69364646092705756722009-12-29T09:53:34.930-05:002009-12-29T09:53:34.930-05:00Thank you for this. For someone not having grown u...Thank you for this. For someone not having grown up in those times I do enjoy seeing a program that so overtly shows the sexual and racial injustice as well as the changing of times that are occurring. Although when I watch this with my male friends they usually are indulging in the lifestyles of the men in the show and it wouldn't surprise me if cigar smoking and daily whisky drinking has gone up as a result of the program. <br /><br />I grew up being told that I lived in an equal rights society a society that had the first female president and was proud of the way it treated its women. I realized how wrong this image was the second I got my first job. I thought this would change when went into the arts and with the more I educated myself but of course it doesn't. There has been a wave of feminism in iceland during the last 10 years and I think it has had an effect but it still isn't midfield. I feel both in sweden and in iceland where I have lived there is a high regard of feminism but also a neglect for the injustices still at play. <br /><br />As for the arts I can say that I have been thankful to the network of women that I have met and that have held up the importance of these struggles and have created networks for women within the arts.Berglind Jóna Hlynsdóttirhttp://www.berglindjona.isnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-71796261204495110092009-12-16T11:32:09.730-05:002009-12-16T11:32:09.730-05:00Feminism is an ism. Isms are ideologies. Ideologie...Feminism is an ism. Isms are ideologies. Ideologies kill spirit and flesh. The proper word is,femina-centric. That is a locution appropriate for our present condition.j.ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-15172223915370198842009-11-29T09:27:55.075-05:002009-11-29T09:27:55.075-05:00Rebecca West, in 1913, said: "I myself have n...Rebecca West, in 1913, said: "I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from ... a doormat ..."<br /><br />Unlike very many other women I know, I have never experienced <i>overt</i> violence or abuse from any man (maybe it's because I'm bigger than they are) but I was raised with 5 sisters and 4 brothers and a mother, who had been a defiant, unrepentant "tomboy," so adoring of her sons but so filled with hatred and disgust for anything female that it amounted to the same thing.<br /><br />What societal imperative makes women turn against each other?LXVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18396149640519096992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-78439834198019540812009-11-29T09:19:00.180-05:002009-11-29T09:19:00.180-05:00Wasn't it Kathe Kollowitz who said, "What...Wasn't it Kathe Kollowitz who said, "What if just one woman were to tell the truth about her life? The whole world would fall apart."martha millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847828956846494958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-52959823319805294862009-11-28T22:04:02.789-05:002009-11-28T22:04:02.789-05:00p.s. just had to send this link:
http://www.youtu...p.s. just had to send this link:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6hRnpCxLJYmartha millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847828956846494958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-9925169435812056402009-11-28T21:58:08.058-05:002009-11-28T21:58:08.058-05:00Thankyou for this post, Carol!
When I returned to ...Thankyou for this post, Carol!<br />When I returned to art school in 2003, I was stunned that the young women students were so down on Feminism. I felt almost apologetic and outdated with my desire to make feminist art - I felt like a dinosaur. Then I took a philosophy class where we were asked to write a paper on one of five topics. I was excited to see that one of the topics was How has living in a Patriarchy affected you? Like you, Carol, I had many experiences of sexual harrassment. And now I had an invitation to write about it. I let it rip. Same crap - high school teachers, a married college professor 20 years my senior, a pervert gynocologist, a pervert dentist (when pulling on the side of my face to give me the novacain shot he'd say,"Oh, what tight cheeks you have! Now don't go telling your husband I said that!" He would also tell dirty jokes when my mouth was full and I couldn't respond. Jerk.) A co-worker in a corporate office (he used to make lewd comments while I ate. It got so bad that I didn't dare to pack a banana in my lunch! When I complained to my boss, he said, "You know that I am required to report this to HR, and this man will lose his job. How about if we pretend you didn't tell me, and YOU talk to him and tell him to stop? If that doesn't work, come back to me..." This was only 7 years ago....)<br />I have a history of sexual abuse as well - my father was the perpetrator. <br />No, it ain't over yet.martha millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847828956846494958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-57844992131772076472009-11-28T08:53:45.810-05:002009-11-28T08:53:45.810-05:00Thanks for this articulate expose on feminism, the...Thanks for this articulate expose on feminism, the 'lost' era -- stream on, Carol! Hopefully, you have grabbed an ear with this...Kate Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706010003235949420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-46092055268330264412009-11-27T22:18:11.041-05:002009-11-27T22:18:11.041-05:00Somewhere along the way these young women got the ...Somewhere along the way these young women got the (incorrect) message that feminism is a bad thing, something they don't want to be associated with. Why did this happen? I find it very frustrating. And odd.<br /><br />Interesting story about the young Ann-Margret.Oriane Stenderhttp://orianestender.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-35022658550729818642009-11-27T20:08:57.283-05:002009-11-27T20:08:57.283-05:00What a timely reminder that "it ain't ove...What a timely reminder that "it ain't over yet." When I worked in a huge medical center in California, I was shocked at how ruthless and vicious women were to each other - esp. younger (pretty) women on their way up the corporate ladder. The men didn't have to worry about keeping us "old bags" in our place. They had women to do that for them. A lot of women "got it" when they turned 30 and were now deemed too old but they sure did a lot of damage on their way up. I was talking to a gallery owner in SF the other day who firmly believes that women artists now have as much opportunity as male artists. How do you counter such lethal ignorance except by continually keeping the dialogue open. Younger women who think that feminism is dead and that they are "above" such things are in for a horrible surprise - every tiny gain from jobs, housing, child care and health insurance (!) is under attack.Nancy Ewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12116290968007398337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-51220013872527854092009-11-27T16:18:15.185-05:002009-11-27T16:18:15.185-05:00Leaving "Contemp" (or Le Mepris or Il Di...Leaving "Contemp" (or Le Mepris or Il Disprezzo) aside for the moment, I attended a transgenerational discussion of feminism recently in Chelsea and what I came away with was shock at the essence of the discussion, which was, "Do we still need to use the word feminist?"<br /><br />Uh, hell yeah. <br />It's not post-feminist. It's not "para-feminist." It's still feminist. It still needs to be feminist.<br /><br />Some things have changed but many have not. I recently visited the new contemporary wing of the Chicago Institute. Judging by who's represented, you'd think that female artists died off after the first cave paintings were made. (Same thing at the Met.)<br /><br />Thanks for this, Carol. It used to be that the younger generation was pushing the issue. Now it's an older generation. But it's the same women (and good men) fighting the fight.<br /><br />I have female students who think sexism is over. Then I ask them to name 10 famous artists off the top of their heads.Joanne Matterahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564594823192456546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-69940455166756688012009-11-27T16:16:23.398-05:002009-11-27T16:16:23.398-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joanne Matterahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564594823192456546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4865764596112100655.post-25152357035389335882009-11-27T15:40:57.993-05:002009-11-27T15:40:57.993-05:00Godard insisted Bardot wear a dark wig throughout ...Godard insisted Bardot wear a dark wig throughout Le Mepris, (your still not withstanding) to imitate his wife’s bob. He was married to Anna Karina at the time. In fact, he even had Bardot wear several items from Karina’s wardrobe (skirts, cardigans) which, understandably, Brigitte thought was going a bit far. Brigitte may be characterized as a bit flaky these days, but she was no fool. Actually it was her box office weight that got the film finished Godard’s way, rather than Italian producer, Carlo Ponti’s way. Godard freely acknowledged this.<br /><br />The thing is Karina was a terrible flirt, a somewhat manic extrovert and apparently had several affairs during their marriage. Le Mepris, is in some respects about confronting an unwelcome suspicion like that, feeling despised for it. Their marriage, famously did not last. His films were never the same, hers a slender affair.<br /><br />And yeah it takes two to tango, and however we draw the rules, there’s no legislating against assholes.CAPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09861096695503969576noreply@blogger.com